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Merhaba,
Facebookta adını gizleyen ve yabancı bir futbolcunun adıyla yazan bir kişi tarafından hakarete uğradım. Savcılığa başvurdum. Facebookun türkiye temsililiği veya adresi olmadığı gerekçesiyle bir şey yapamayacaklarını söylediler. Şüphelendiğim birinin olup olmadığını sordular. Olmasına rağmen emin olmadığım için söylemedim. Savcı başka bir şey yapamayacağını söyledi. Ama hakaretleri içime sindiremiyorum. Ne yapabilirim? Bu ülkede bu tür suçlar yapanın yanına mı kalır?:(
Türkiye,Avrupa Siber Suç Sözl. taraf değil. İlgili sitenin bağlı olduğu elektronik servis hizmetleriyse yurtdışı kaynaklı.Bu nedenle digital delil elde edilmesi mümkün olmuyor.
Umarım en kısa zamanda olur. Bu durumda herkes birbirine istediğini söyleme hakkına sahip. Cevabınız için teşekkür ederim.Alıntı:
c_selin rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
İnternette neden o kadar çok maganda var sanıyorsunuz. Çocuk pornosu dışında bu konuda başka bir olumlu gelişme görmedim.
Sözleşme 2001 yılında imzaya açıldı..Alıntı:
erivandes rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
Çok yakında facebook u Türkiyeye getiricem sistem şu anda elimde mevcut tamamen Türkçe olacak ingilizce bilen koder arkadaşlar Türkçeleştirme çalışmalarına başladılar çok yakında bu gibi durumları ortadan kaldırmayı hedefliyorum
saygılarımla
Konu yalnızca internet yoluyla işlenen hakaret suçu açısından değil,terör suçları açısından da önem taşıyor.
Eee, türbanla anayasayı delik deşik etmekle meşgul olurken teknoloji ve bilişimde ne oluyormuş ki, amacı insan haklarını savunmak olan bir hükümet önce gider sıkıysa Atatürke hakaret içeren video sitesi youtube'u kapatırdı hemde gidip ülkesinde yapardı bunu, öyle sadece yurt içi çıkışlarını engelleyip bizden gizlemeye çalışmazdı, Lozanda destan yazdık bir karış toprak vermedik ama şimdi ne oldu parsel parsel satıyoruz artık topraklarımızı, Lozan nereye gitti diye sormazlar mı adama??
iyi akşamlar bende facebookta sahte isimli birinden hakaret dolu mesajlar alıyorum şüphelendiğim kimsede yok savcılığa başvursam mesajlardan ip adresine ulaşıp kişiyi bulamazlarmı? facebook kurallarına göre üye isimlerini gizli tutmak ilkemizdir diyor ama bu böyle ne kadar devam edecek.şimdiden teşekkürler
o bilgiye ulaşamazlar,Alıntı:
kalbeben rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
rahatsız oluyorsanız, o kişiyi facebook da şikayet edebilirsiniz,
yada yeni bir hesap açın,onu kullanın, yada kapatın hesabınızı,
bir çok gizlilik ayarları mevcut,aramalarda bile çıkmayabilirsiniz,
sonuçta facebook hayat gereği bir site değil
Mesajlardan ip adresi bulunması diye birşey teknik olarak söz konusu değil, bu ip bilgisi yalnızca sitenin veritabanında kayıtlı duruyorudur ve kullanıcılara ziyaretçilere sunulmaz, bu yüzden direkt olarak site yönetimiyle irtibata geçmek gerekir ki hukuki bir kimliğiniz olmadığı dolayısıyle bir sonuç çıkmayacağı düşünülürse boşa zaman kaybıdır bu, sonuçta savcılığa başvurmak gerekecektir, savcı kovuşturmaya uygun görürse olayı (sanırım kişilik haklarına saldırı söz konusu ama profili kaç kişinin gezdiğide önemli yani bu hakareti gören varmı yokmu buda bi ayrıntıdır mahkemeye) hem mahkeme prosedürü başlatılacak hemde polis teşkilatına durum aktarılacaktır (bilişim suçları amirliği), zaten polisimizde bu bilgiyi edinemezse facebook yetkililerinden yapacak pek bişey yok, mahkemenin çıkartacağı sonuçta pek bir işe yaramayacaktır fail olmadıktan sonra!
Hukukçu arkadaşlar muhtemel yanlışlarımı düzeltirse sevinirim, anlattıklarım yalnızca tavsiyedir bağlayıcı bir kesinliği yoktur!!
Beni telefon ve mail yoluyla, aynı zamanda facebook üstünde öldürmekle tehdit eden biri var. Savcılığa başvurmayı düşünüyorum ama sorum şu olacak,
mail ve facebooktaki mesajlar, ayrıca telefon görüşmelerim kanıt olarak sayılırmı? kişinin kim olduğunu biliyorum ve çevremdekileride tehdit etmeye başladı.. diğer bir sorum bu kişi ispat halinde cezasız kalırmı, yani sadece daha fazla büyümesini sağlamaktan çekiniyorum. Ve savcılıkta yürütülen bu işlemler için yada sonrasında avukat tutmam gerekiyormu?
Alıntı:
evren42 rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
Dediklerin elbette delil olur mahkemede, çünkü bu suçu işleyen kişi öyle bir iz bırakıyor ki arkasında, aslında kendini kimliğini alenen açıklamadığı sürece kim olduğunu bulmanın tek yolu ip adresi, ve mail yollarken genelde ücretsiz hizmetlerde kendi ip adresi gözükmez ama facebook hesabına yaptığı tehditler ip adresinden kolaylıkla tespit ettirir kişiyi, yeterki facebooktan ip bilgisi ve tarih saat hatta saniye bilgisi (mesajın bırakıldığı) elde edilsin, diğer yol yani telefon daha kolay sonuç verir gibi ama şunu belirtmeliyim ki ip yönteminde kişi bir internet cafeden saldırıyı yapmışsa sonuç alınamayacaktır, aynı şekilde telefon görüşmelerinide bir kulübeden sağlıyor olabilir, ama en azında ev telefonlarınız takip altına alınırsa anlık takip söz konusu olacaktır, şüphelendiğiniz kişiyi tanıtır verileride polise sunduğunuzda kişinin bulunması oldukça kolaylaşacaktır, bu takip edilme dinleme olaylarının filan mahkemeye gitmeden savcılıktan yapıldığını biliyorum ilk önce savcıya başvurursanız zaten gerekiyorsa mahkemeye yönlendirecektir sizi, diğer ceza vs gibi konularda bilgim yok hukukçu arkadaşlarımız yardımcı olurlar umarım!..
ilgilendiğiniz için çok teşekkürler ben facebooka şikayetimi ilettim ancak cevap alamadım sadece ip adresinden bulunma ihtimali varsa açıkçası denemek iterim o yolu.
iyi akşamlar verdiğiniz bilgiler için teşekkürler facebook un gizlilik söleşmesinde california eyalet mahkemesine başvurudan bahsediyor anladığım kadarıyla ülkemizde facebook için bir yaptırım olamıyor haksızmıyım acaba?
dediğim gibi kişi internet cafeden yapıyorsa bunu iş zor, hatta imkansız, zaten facebook öyle köy ortasına hiçbir bilgiyi vermez millete (ki facebook cia için kimlik bilgisi toplamak için kurulduğu söyleniyor dikkatli olun bence) özelliklede Türk isek gizli düşmanlıklarını bilmemiz gerekir, ancak mahkeme yoluyla bir hukuki aracı yardımıyla alınabilir bu bilgi, ama youtube'deki Atatürk'e hakaret içeren videoları silmesi ayları bulan youtube yetkililerinin davranışlarından feyz almak lazım, facebook'un aynı tarzda davranacağına eminim, şansınızı deneyin, önce bu tür davalar olmuşmu araştırın örnek almak adına yayarlı olabilir
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California mahkemelerinden bahsetmesi bana göre sitenin amerikada faaliyet göstermesinden kaynaklıdır, o bölge için gereken hukuki davranışlar ve yasalar ne ise onlara binayen faaliyet gösterdiklerini açıklamışlardır büyük ihtimalle, ama ülkeler arası hukuk sistemine göre iş birliği yapılabiliyor, yani size bir bilgiyi açıklamak zorunda değiller ama bizim mahkemelerimizle veya yetkili organlarımızla işbirliği yapma eğiliminde olabilmeleri mümkün, tabiiki bir Türk mahkemesinde alınan kararla amerikada faaliyet gösteren bir siteyi kapatmak mümkün değil, bunu youtube'dan hatırlayalım, şuan hala ülkemizde giriş yapılamıyor ama dünya çapında yayına açık, yada herhangi bir yaptırım uygulatmak mümkün değil bunu yalnızca o ülkenin mahkemesi yapabilir yani amerikan mahkemeleri, ülkemizden oraya bir yaptırım uygulatmak imkansızdır, ancak Türk hukuk sistemi örneğin yabancılar için haklar tanıyor, bir turiste ülkemizde nasılki suç işlemek bir Türke suç işlemekle aynı yaptırımı gerektiriyorsa aynısı amerka içinde geçerli diye düşünüyorum, yani bu durumda amerikaya gidip california mahkemesine başvurup olan biten açıkladığınız zaman bir şeyler oluyordur, ama o zamanda size turist olduğunuzu kendi ülkenizden bişiyler yapmanızı belki ancak vatandaşları olduğunuz zaman ilgilenebileceklerini hukuk sistemlerine dayanarak söyleyebilirler, sonuçta saldırıya siz Türkiye toprakları içerisindeyken ve bir Türk vatandaşıyken uğradınız, bunlarda göze alınası durumlar...
Umarım kusuruma bakmazsınız, verdiğim bilgiler hep kulaktan dolma, bu yüzdende belki fikir oluşturmaya yardımcı olabilirim ancak, malum hukukçu arkadaşlar yoğunlar hemen sorularınıza yanıt veremeyebilirler burada, en fazla birazdaha konuşkan olursunuz anlattıklarımla daha fazlasını beklemeyin lütfen kesin bilgiler almadıkça!
size çok teşekkür ederim vakit ayırmanız çok mühimdi benim için gerçekten aydınlattınız beni çok teşekkürler.sanırım ben bu hakaretleri sineye çekip kafama takmayacağım
Kesin şeyler değil anlattıklarım, burada çok değerli hukukçular var ben bir hukukçu değilim, böyle düşünmeden önce birde onları dinleyin lütfen!Alıntı:
kalbeben rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
iyi akşamlar bende facebookta sahte isimli birinden hakaret dolu mesajlar alıyorum şüphelendiğim kimsede yok savcılığa başvursam mesajlardan ip adresine ulaşıp kişiyi bulamazlarmı? facebook kurallarına göre üye isimlerini gizli tutmak ilkemizdir diyor ama bu böyle ne kadar devam edecek.şimdiden teşekkürler
Alıntı:
Lazaronnie rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
hayır, kesinlikle mümkün. ben, bana facebookdan mesaj atan herkesin ip sini görebiliyorum.
e-mail ayarınız facebookda on ise ve birkaç yıllık yahoo hesabınız varsa, full headerste x-facebook : 82.52.XXX... yazan ip, size o mesajı yollayan kişinin ip sidir. kendimiz bizzat denedik ve gördük. ancak yeni yahoo hesaplarında ve g-mailde bunu görmek mümkün değil.
şimdi ben bir soru sorayım :Facebook da bir arkadaşım hakkında "xx ten nefret edenler" diye bir grup kurulmuş. Grubun descr. bölümünde arkadaşıma türlü hakaretler var.
Şimdi biz, grup creatorunu dava edemez miyiz bu durumda yani?
Sözkonusu siteye üyeliğim olmadığı için işleyişi hakkında bilgi sahibi değilim.Ancak şunu söyleyebilirim,ilgili sitenin içeriğe ilişkin sorumluluğuna yer veren gizlilik politikası sayfasını okuyun.
bende sayın Selin hanımın yazısına ek olarak,
iki şey ekliyeceğim
1. facebook un sahibi olan http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=Mark+Zuckerberg&init=q
bu linkten özel mesaj atabilirsiniz, yada facebook yardım iletişim hattından, şikayetinizi dile getirebilirsiniz,
2.Kullanım Sözleşmesi;
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Subject to the terms and conditions of these Terms of Use, Third Party Sites that meet the requirements set forth below may place a Share Link (as described below), in the form approved by Company, on pages of their web sites to facilitate use of the Share Service. A Third Party Site that posts a Share Link on its web site is referred to herein as an "Online Content Provider" and shall abide and be subject to the applicable sections of these Terms of Use. A "Share Link" is a button and/or a text link appearing on an Online Content Provider's web page that, upon being clicked by a user, enables us to launch a sharing mechanism through which users can share with others or post to their own member profile, links and content from that page.
In the event that the Share Link is a button that contains any icons or other graphic images, trademarks or other proprietary materials of the Company, Online Content Provider is granted permission to use such images, trademarks or other materials solely for the purpose of placing the Share Link on Online Content Provider's site and solely in the current form provided by the Company. In the event that the Share Link is a text link, it must include the word "Facebook" as part of the link. The rights granted in this paragraph may be revoked by Company at any time with or without cause in its sole discretion, and upon such termination, Online Content Provider agrees to immediately remove all Share Links from its site.
In order for an Online Content Provider to include a Share Link on its pages, the Third Party Site must not contain any web content that if shared or posted by a user would be a violation of the user conduct rules set forth above. Without limiting the forgoing, Online Content Provider agrees not to post a Share Link on any web site that contains, and represents and warrants that such web site does not and will not contain, any content that is infringing, harmful, threatening, unlawful, defamatory, abusive, inflammatory, harassing, vulgar, obscene, lewd, fraudulent, or invasive of privacy or publicity rights or that may expose Company or its users to any harm or liability of any type. Upon including of a Share Link, Online Content Provider agrees to defend, indemnify and hold the Company, its subsidiaries and affiliates, and each of their directors, officers, agents, contractors, partners and employees, harmless from and against any loss, liability, claim, demand, damages, costs and expenses, including reasonable attorney's fees, arising out of or in connection with such Share Link, any links, content or other items or materials which may be shared or posted through such Share Link, or any breach or alleged breach of the foregoing representations and warranties.
By including a Share Link, Online Content Provider automatically grants, and represents and warrants that it has the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use the Share Service in order to link to, use, copy, publish, stream, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part), summarize, and distribute the content, links and other materials of any kind residing on any web pages on which Online Content Provider places the Share Link.
Facebook Marketplace
All listings posted on or through the Facebook Marketplace service and all transactions conducted in connection therewith are subject to and governed by the Facebook Marketplace Guidelines (the "Guidelines") as well as these Terms of Use. When you use Facebook Marketplace in any manner you are agreeing to abide by and be subject to the Guidelines and the other applicable rules set forth in these Terms of Use. The Guidelines are subject to change without prior notice at any time, in the Company's sole discretion, so you should review the Guidelines each time you use Facebook Marketplace. Parties to a transaction are solely responsible for all interactions with each other, for arranging for payment and the exchange of the goods or services purchased if applicable, and for the results and performance of any transaction or relationship entered into through Facebook Marketplace. You acknowledge that Facebook is not responsible or liable for any action or inaction of any party to a transaction, for any failure to perform, to pay any amounts due, or to deliver any merchandise or services as promised, or for any other aspect of the transaction. Any fees or payments collected by Facebook applicable to Facebook Marketplace are set forth on the Site, and all terms and conditions applicable to such fees are set forth in the Facebook Terms of Sale However, please note that the Terms of Sale do not apply to your purchases of products or services from third parties through Facebook Marketplace, as those transactions are strictly between you and the other party to the transaction. ALL USE OF FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Facebook Platform Applications
The Facebook Platform is a set of APIs and services provided by Facebook that enable third-party developers ("Platform Developers") to create websites and applications that retrieve data made available by Facebook and its users and/or that retrieve authorized data from third-party sites for use on the Facebook Site ("Platform Applications")
Platform Developers may use the Facebook Platform and create Platform Applications only in accordance with the terms and conditions set forth in an agreement entered into between Facebook and the Platform Developer ("Developer Terms"). Our standard Developer Terms consist of the Facebook Developer Terms of Service and the related Facebook Platform Application Guidelines. We may from time to time enter into separate agreements with certain third party Platform Developers that contain different or additional terms, provided however, that each such separate agreement will require the third party Platform Developer to only display your information in accordance with your Facebook privacy settings. The standard Developer Terms are subject to change without prior notice at any time, in the Company's sole discretion, so you should review these documents from time to time. ALL USE OF THE FACEBOOK PLATFORM IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Users who install Platform Applications must agree to the terms and conditions set forth in the Platform Application Terms of Use ("Application User Terms") and in these Terms of Use. The Application User Terms are subject to change without prior notice at any time, in the Company's sole discretion, so you should review these terms each time you install an application and from time to time. Platform Developers may require you to agree to their own terms of service, privacy policies and/or other policies as a condition of using Platform Applications. Platform Applications have not been approved, endorsed, or reviewed in any manner by Facebook, and we are not responsible for your use of or inability to use any Platform Applications, including the content, accuracy, or reliability of such Application and the privacy practices or other policies of Developers. YOU USE SUCH PLATFORM APPLICATIONS AT YOUR OWN RISK.
If you, your friends or members of your network use any Platform Applications, such Platform Applications may access and share certain information about you with others in accordance with your privacy settings as further described in our Privacy Policy. Platform Developers are required to agree to restrictions on access, storage and use of such information. However, while we have undertaken contractual and technical steps to restrict possible misuse of such information by such Platform Developers, we do not screen or approve Developers, and we cannot and do not guarantee that all Platform Developers will abide by such restrictions and agreements. Certain actions you take through the Platform Applications may be displayed to your friends in your profile, mini-feed and news feed, and you may opt-out of displaying your Platform Application actions on the Privacy Settings page. Please report any suspected misuse of information through the Facebook Platform as described in our Privacy Policy.
You may set your preferences for your news feed and mini-feed here.
Facebook Pages
Facebook Pages are special profiles used solely for commercial, political, or charitable purposes. You may not set up a Facebook Page on behalf of another individual or entity unless you are authorized to do so. This includes fan Facebook Pages, as well as Facebook Pages to support or criticize another individual or entity.
FACEBOOK DOES NOT PRE-SCREEN OR APPROVE FACEBOOK PAGES, AND CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT A FACEBOOK PAGE WAS ACTUALLY CREATED AND IS BEING OPERATED BY THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF A FACEBOOK PAGE. NOR IS FACEBOOK RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONTENT OF ANY FACEBOOK PAGE, OR ANY TRANSACTIONS ENTERED INTO OR OTHER ACTIONS TAKEN ON OR IN CONNECTION WITH ANY FACEBOOK PAGE, INCLUDING HOW THE OWNER OF THE FACEBOOK PAGE COLLECTS, HANDLES, USES AND / OR SHARES ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION IT MAY COLLECT FROM USERS (PLEASE REVIEW THE FACEBOOK PRIVACY POLICY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THE USE OR SHARING OF YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION). YOU SHOULD BE CAREFUL BEFORE PROVIDING ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION TO OR ENTERING INTO ANY TRANSACTION IN CONNECTION WITH A FACEBOOK PAGE.
In addition to these Terms of Use, Facebook Pages are subject to and governed by certain Additional Terms Applicable to Facebook Pages. The Additional Terms Applicable to Facebook Pages control in the event of any conflict between them and the Terms of Use.
Terms of Sale
Please refer to our Terms of Sale for the terms, conditions and policies applicable to your purchase of products or services from Company. By ordering products or services from Company through the Site, you agree to be bound by and accept the Terms of Sale. The Terms of Sale are subject to change without prior notice at any time, in Company's sole discretion so you should review the Terms of Sale each time you make a purchase.
User Disputes
You are solely responsible for your interactions with other Facebook users. We reserve the right, but have no obligation, to monitor disputes between you and other users.
Privacy
We care about the privacy of our users. Click here to view the Facebook's Privacy Policy. By using the Site or the Service, you are consenting to have your personal data transferred to and processed in the United States.
Disclaimers
The Company is not responsible or liable in any manner for any User Content or Third Party Applications, Software or Content posted on the Site or in connection with the Service, whether posted or caused by users of the Site, by Facebook, by third parties or by any of the equipment or programming associated with or utilized in the Site or the Service. Although we provide rules for user conduct and postings, we do not control and are not responsible for what users post, transmit or share on the Site and are not responsible for any offensive, inappropriate, obscene, unlawful or otherwise objectionable content you may encounter on the Site or in connection with any User Content or Third Party Applications, Software or Content. The Company is not responsible for the conduct, whether online or offline, of any user of the Site or Service.
The Site and the Service may be temporarily unavailable from time to time for maintenance or other reasons. Company assumes no responsibility for any error, omission, interruption, deletion, defect, delay in operation or transmission, communications line failure, theft or destruction or unauthorized access to, or alteration of, User communications. The Company is not responsible for any technical malfunction or other problems of any telephone network or service, computer systems, servers or providers, computer or mobile phone equipment, software, failure of email or players on account of technical problems or traffic congestion on the Internet or at any Site or combination thereof, including injury or damage to User's or to any other person's computer, mobile phone, or other hardware or software, related to or resulting from using or downloading materials in connection with the Web and/or in connection with the Service, including any Mobile Client software. Under no circumstances will the Company be responsible for any loss or damage, including any loss or damage to any User Content or personal injury or death, resulting from anyone's use of the Site or the Service, any User Content or Third Party Applications, Software or Content posted on or through the Site or the Service or transmitted to Users, or any interactions between users of the Site, whether online or offline.
THE SITE, THE SERVICE (INCLUDING THE MOBILE SERVICES, THE SHARE SERVICE AND THE MARKETPLACE SERVICE), ANY PLATFORM APPLICATIONS AND THE SITE CONTENT ARE PROVIDED "AS-IS" AND THE COMPANY DISCLAIMS ANY AND ALL REPRESENTATIONS AND WARRANTIES, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF TITLE, MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR NON-INFRINGEMENT. THE COMPANY CANNOT GUARANTEE AND DOES NOT PROMISE ANY SPECIFIC RESULTS FROM USE OF THE SITE AND/OR THE SERVICE AND/OR ANY PLATFORM APPLICATIONS. COMPANY DOES NOT REPRESENT OR WARRANT THAT SOFTWARE, CONTENT OR MATERIALS ON THE SITE, THE SERVICE OR ANY PLATFORM APPLICATIONS ARE ACCURATE, COMPLETE, RELIABLE, CURRENT OR ERROR-FREE OR THAT THE SITE OR SERVICE ITS SERVERS, OR ANY PLATFORM APPLICATIONS ARE FREE OF VIRUSES OR OTHER HARMFUL COMPONENTS. THEREFORE, YOU SHOULD EXERCISE CAUTION IN THE USE AND DOWNLOADING OF ANY SUCH SOFTWARE, CONTENT OR MATERIALS AND USE INDUSTRY-RECOGNIZED SOFTWARE TO DETECT AND DISINFECT VIRUSES. WITHOUT LIMITING THE FOREGOING, YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT YOU DOWNLOAD OR OTHERWISE OBTAIN CONTENT, MATERIAL, DATA OR SOFTWARE (INCLUDING ANY MOBILE CLIENT) FROM OR THROUGH THE SERVICE AND ANY PLATFORM APPLICATIONS AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION AND RISK AND THAT YOU WILL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR USE THEREOF AND ANY DAMAGES TO YOUR MOBILE DEVICE OR COMPUTER SYSTEM, LOSS OF DATA OR OTHER HARM OF ANY KIND THAT MAY RESULT.
The Company reserves the right to change any and all content, software and other items used or contained in the Site and any Services and Platform Applications offered through the Site at any time without notice. Reference to any products, services, processes or other information, by trade name, trademark, manufacturer, supplier or otherwise does not constitute or imply endorsement, sponsorship or recommendation thereof, or any affiliation therewith, by Company.
Limitation on Liability
IN NO EVENT WILL COMPANY OR ITS DIRECTORS, EMPLOYEES OR AGENTS BE LIABLE TO YOU OR ANY THIRD PERSON FOR ANY INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL, EXEMPLARY, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES, INCLUDING FOR ANY LOST PROFITS OR LOST DATA ARISING FROM YOUR USE OF THE SITE OR THE SERVICE, ANY PLATFORM APPLICATIONS OR ANY OF THE SITE CONTENT OR OTHER MATERIALS ON, ACCESSED THROUGH OR DOWNLOADED FROM THE SITE, EVEN IF THE COMPANY IS AWARE OR HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY CONTAINED HEREIN, THE COMPANY'S LIABILITY TO YOU FOR ANY CAUSE WHATSOEVER, AND REGARDLESS OF THE FORM OF THE ACTION, WILL AT ALL TIMES BE LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT PAID, IF ANY, BY YOU TO COMPANY FOR THE SERVICE DURING THE TERM OF MEMBERSHIP, BUT IN NO CASE WILL THE COMPANY'S LIABILITY TO YOU EXCEED $1000. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IF NO FEES ARE PAID TO COMPANY FOR THE SERVICE, YOU SHALL BE LIMITED TO INJUNCTIVE RELIEF ONLY, UNLESS OTHERWISE PERMITTED BY LAW, AND SHALL NOT BE ENTITLED TO DAMAGES OF ANY KIND FROM COMPANY, REGARDLESS OF THE CAUSE OF ACTION.
Termination
The Company may terminate your membership, delete your profile and any content or information that you have posted on the Site or through any Platform Application and/or prohibit you from using or accessing the Service or the Site or any Platform Application (or any portion, aspect or feature of the Service or the Site or any Platform Application) for any reason, or no reason, at any time in its sole discretion, with or without notice, including if it believes that you are under 13, or under 18 and not in high school or college. When we are notified that a user has died, we will generally, but are not obligated to, keep the user's account active under a special memorialized status for a period of time determined by us to allow other users to post and view comments.
Governing Law; Venue and Jurisdiction
By visiting or using the Site and/or the Service, you agree that the laws of the State of Delaware, without regard to principles of conflict of laws, will govern these Terms of Use and any dispute of any sort that might arise between you and the Company or any of our affiliates. With respect to any disputes or claims not subject to arbitration (as set forth below), you agree not to commence or prosecute any action in connection therewith other than in the state and federal courts of California, and you hereby consent to, and waive all defenses of lack of personal jurisdiction and forum non conveniens with respect to, venue and jurisdiction in the state and federal courts of California.
Arbitration
YOU AND COMPANY AGREE THAT, EXCEPT AS MAY OTHERWISE BE PROVIDED IN REGARD TO SPECIFIC SERVICES ON THE SITE IN ANY SPECIFIC TERMS APPLICABLE TO THOSE SERVICES, THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE FORUM AND REMEDY FOR ANY AND ALL DISPUTES AND CLAIMS RELATING IN ANY WAY TO OR ARISING OUT OF THESE TERMS OF USE, THE SITE AND/OR THE SERVICE (INCLUDING YOUR VISIT TO OR USE OF THE SITE AND/OR THE SERVICE) SHALL BE FINAL AND BINDING ARBITRATION, except that: (a) to the extent that either of us has in any manner infringed upon or violated or threatened to infringe upon or violate the other party's patent, copyright, trademark or trade secret rights, or you have otherwise violated any of the user conduct rules set forth above or in the Code of Conduct then the parties acknowledge that arbitration is not an adequate remedy at law and that injunctive or other appropriate relief may be sought; and (b) no disputes or claims relating to any transactions you enter into with a third party through the Facebook Marketplace may be arbitrated.
Arbitration under this Agreement shall be conducted by the American Arbitration Association (the "AAA") under its Commercial Arbitration Rules and, in the case of consumer disputes, the AAA's Supplementary Procedures for Consumer Related Disputes ( the "AAA Consumer Rules") (collectively the "AAA Rules"). The location of the arbitration and the allocation of costs and fees for such arbitration shall be determined in accordance with such AAA Rules and shall be subject to the limitations provided for in the AAA Consumer Rules (for consumer disputes). If such costs are determined to be excessive in a consumer dispute, the Company will be responsible for paying all arbitration fees and arbitrator compensation in excess of what is deemed reasonable. The arbitrator's award shall be binding and may be entered as a judgment in any court of competent jurisdiction.
To the fullest extent permitted by applicable law, NO ARBITRATION OR CLAIM UNDER THESE TERMS OF USE SHALL BE JOINED TO ANY OTHER ARBITRATION OR CLAIM, INCLUDING ANY ARBITRATION OR CLAIM INVOLVING ANY OTHER CURRENT OR FORMER USER OF THE SERVICE, AND NO CLASS ARBITRATION PROCEEDINGS SHALL BE PERMITTED. In no event shall any claim, action or proceeding by you related in any way to the Site and/or the Service (including your visit to or use of the Site and/or the Service) be instituted more than three (3) years after the cause of action arose.
Indemnity
You agree to indemnify and hold the Company, its subsidiaries and affiliates, and each of their directors, officers, agents, contractors, partners and employees, harmless from and against any loss, liability, claim, demand, damages, costs and expenses, including reasonable attorney's fees, arising out of or in connection with any User Content, any Third Party Applications, Software or Content you post or share on or through the Site (including through the Share Service), your use of the Service or the Site, your conduct in connection with the Service or the Site or with other users of the Service or the Site, or any violation of this Agreement or of any law or the rights of any third party.
Submissions
You acknowledge and agree that any questions, comments, suggestions, ideas, feedback or other information about the Site or the Service ("Submissions"), provided by you to Company are non-confidential and shall become the sole property of Company. Company shall own exclusive rights, including all intellectual property rights, and shall be entitled to the unrestricted use and dissemination of these Submissions for any purpose, commercial or otherwise, without acknowledgment or compensation to you.
Definitions and Constructions
Unless otherwise specified, the terms "includes", "including", "e.g.,", "for example", and other similar terms are deemed to include the term "without limitation" immediately thereafter. Terms used in these Terms with the initial letter(s) capitalized will have the meaning attributed to them in these Terms.
Other
These Terms of Use constitute the entire agreement between you and Company regarding the use of the Site and/or the Service, superseding any prior agreements between you and Company relating to your use of the Site or the Service. The failure of Company to exercise or enforce any right or provision of these Terms of Use shall not constitute a waiver of such right or provision in that or any other instance. If any provision of this Agreement is held invalid, the remainder of this Agreement shall continue in full force and effect. If any provision of these Terms of Use shall be deemed unlawful, void or for any reason unenforceable, then that provision shall be deemed severable from these Terms of Use and shall not affect the validity and enforceability of any remaining provisions.
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Facebook Principles
We built Facebook to make it easy to share information with your friends and people around you. We understand you may not want everyone in the world to have the information you share on Facebook; that is why we give you control of your information. Our default privacy settings limit the information displayed in your profile to your networks and other reasonable community limitations that we tell you about.
Facebook follows two core principles:
1. You should have control over your personal information.
Facebook helps you share information with your friends and people around you. You choose what information you put in your profile, including contact and personal information, pictures, interests and groups you join. And you control the users with whom you share that information through the privacy settings on the My Privacy page.
2. You should have access to the information others want to share.
There is an increasing amount of information available out there, and you may want to know what relates to you, your friends, and people around you. We want to help you easily get that information.
Sharing information should be easy. And we want to provide you with the privacy tools necessary to control how and with whom you share that information. If you have questions or ideas, please send them to privacy@facebook.com.
Safe Use of Facebook
For information for users and parents about staying safe on Facebook, click here.
Facebook's Privacy Policy
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Facebook's Privacy Policy is designed to help you understand how we collect and use the personal information you decide to share, and help you make informed decisions when using Facebook, located at www.facebook.com and its directly associated domains (collectively, "Facebook" or "Website")
By using or accessing Facebook, you are accepting the practices described in this Privacy Policy.
Facebook is a licensee of the TRUSTe Privacy Program. TRUSTe is an independent, non-profit organization whose mission is to build user's trust and confidence in the Internet by promoting the use of fair information practices. This privacy statement covers the site www.facebook.com and its directly associated domains. Because this Web site wants to demonstrate its commitment to your privacy, it has agreed to disclose its information practices and have its privacy practices reviewed for compliance by TRUSTe.
If you have questions or concerns regarding this statement, you should first contact our privacy staff at privacy@facebook.com. If you do not receive acknowledgement of your inquiry or your inquiry has not been satisfactorily addressed, you should contact TRUSTe Watchdog at http://www.truste.org/consumers/watchdog_complaint.php. TRUSTe will then serve as a liaison with us to resolve your concerns.
EU Safe Harbor Participation
We participate in the EU Safe Harbor Privacy Framework as set forth by the United States Department of Commerce. As part of our participation in the safe harbor, we have agreed to TRUSTe dispute resolution for disputes relating to our compliance with the Safe Harbor Privacy Framework. If you have any complaints regarding our compliance with the Safe Harbor you should first contact us at info@facebook.com. If contacting us does not resolve your complaint, you may raise your complaint with TRUSTe at http://www.truste.org/users/users_watchdog_intro.html.
The Information We Collect
When you visit Facebook you provide us with two types of information: personal information you knowingly choose to disclose that is collected by us and Web Site use information collected by us as you interact with our Web Site.
When you register with Facebook, you provide us with certain personal information, such as your name, your email address, your telephone number, your address, your gender, schools attended and any other personal or preference information that you provide to us.
When you enter Facebook, we collect your browser type and IP address. This information is gathered for all Facebook visitors. In addition, we store certain information from your browser using "cookies." A cookie is a piece of data stored on the user's computer tied to information about the user. We use session ID cookies to confirm that users are logged in. These cookies terminate once the user closes the browser. By default, we use a persistent cookie that stores your login ID (but not your password) to make it easier for you to login when you come back to Facebook. You can remove or block this cookie using the settings in your browser if you want to disable this convenience feature.
When you use Facebook, you may set up your personal profile, form relationships, send messages, perform searches and queries, form groups, set up events, add applications, and transmit information through various channels. We collect this information so that we can provide you the service and offer personalized features. In most cases, we retain it so that, for instance, you can return to view prior messages you have sent or easily see your friend list. When you update information, we usually keep a backup copy of the prior version for a reasonable period of time to enable reversion to the prior version of that information.
You post User Content (as defined in the Facebook Terms of Use) on the Site at your own risk. Although we allow you to set privacy options that limit access to your pages, please be aware that no security measures are perfect or impenetrable. We cannot control the actions of other Users with whom you may choose to share your pages and information. Therefore, we cannot and do not guarantee that User Content you post on the Site will not be viewed by unauthorized persons. We are not responsible for circumvention of any privacy settings or security measures contained on the Site. You understand and acknowledge that, even after removal, copies of User Content may remain viewable in cached and archived pages or if other Users have copied or stored your User Content.
Any improper collection or misuse of information provided on Facebook is a violation of the Facebook Terms of Service and should be reported to privacy@facebook.com.
If you choose to use our invitation service to tell a friend about our site, we will ask you for information needed to send the invitation, such as your friend's email address. We will automatically send your friend a one-time email or instant message inviting him or her to visit the site. Facebook stores this information to send this one-time invitation, to register a friend connection if your invitation is accepted, and to track the success of our referral program. Your friend may contact us at info@facebook.com to request that we remove this information from our database.
Facebook may also collect information about you from other sources, such as newspapers, blogs, instant messaging services, and other users of the Facebook service through the operation of the service (e.g., photo tags) in order to provide you with more useful information and a more personalized experience.
By using Facebook, you are consenting to have your personal data transferred to and processed in the United States.
Children Under Age 13
Facebook does not knowingly collect or solicit personal information from anyone under the age of 13 or knowingly allow such persons to register. If you are under 13, please do not attempt to register for Facebook or send any information about yourself to us, including your name, address, telephone number, or email address. No one under age 13 may provide any personal information to or on Facebook. In the event that we learn that we have collected personal information from a child under age 13 without verification of parental consent, we will delete that information as quickly as possible. If you believe that we might have any information from or about a child under 13, please contact us at info@facebook.com.
Children Between the Ages of 13 and 18
We recommend that minors over the age of 13 ask their parents for permission before sending any information about themselves to anyone over the Internet.
Use of Information Obtained by Facebook
When you register with Facebook, you create your own profile and privacy settings. Your profile information, as well as your name, email and photo, are displayed to people in the networks specified in your privacy settings to enable you to connect with people on Facebook. We may occasionally use your name and email address to send you notifications regarding new services offered by Facebook that we think you may find valuable.
Profile information is used by Facebook primarily to be presented back to and edited by you when you access the service and to be presented to others permitted to view that information by your privacy settings. In some cases where your privacy settings permit it (e.g., posting to your wall), other Facebook users may be able to supplement your profile.
Profile information you submit to Facebook will be available to users of Facebook who belong to at least one of the networks you allow to access the information through your privacy settings (e.g., school, geography, friends of friends). Your name, network names, and profile picture thumbnail will be available in search results across the Facebook network and those limited pieces of information may be made available to third party search engines. This is primarily so your friends can find you and send a friend request. People who see your name in searches, however, will not be able to access your profile information unless they have a relationship to you (friend, friend of friend, member of your networks, etc.) that allows such access based on your privacy settings.
Facebook may send you service-related announcements from time to time through the general operation of the service. For instance, if a friend sends you a new message or poke, or someone posts on your wall, you may receive an email alerting you to that fact.
Generally, you may opt out of such emails here, though Facebook reserves the right to send you notices about your account even if you opt out of all voluntary email notifications.
Facebook may use information in your profile without identifying you as an individual to third parties. We do this for purposes such as aggregating how many people in a network like a band or movie and personalizing advertisements and promotions so that we can provide you Facebook. We believe this benefits you. You can know more about the world around you and, where there are advertisements, they're more likely to be interesting to you. For example, if you put a favorite movie in your profile, we might serve you an advertisement highlighting a screening of a similar one in your town. But we don't tell the movie company who you are.
We may use information about you that we collect from other sources, including but not limited to newspapers and Internet sources such as blogs, instant messaging services, Facebook Platform developers and other users of Facebook, to supplement your profile. Where such information is used, we generally allow you to specify in your privacy settings that you do not want this to be done or to take other actions that limit the connection of this information to your profile (e.g., removing photo tag links).
Sharing Your Information with Third Parties
Facebook is about sharing information with others — friends and people in your networks — while providing you with privacy settings that restrict other users from accessing your information. We allow you to choose the information you provide to friends and networks through Facebook. Our network architecture and your privacy settings allow you to make informed choices about who has access to your information. We do not provide contact information to third party marketers without your permission. We share your information with third parties only in limited circumstances where we believe such sharing is 1) reasonably necessary to offer the service, 2) legally required or, 3) permitted by you. For example:
* Your news feed and mini-feed may aggregate the information you provide and make it available to your friends and network members according to your privacy settings. You may set your preferences for your news feed and mini-feed here.
* Unlike most sites on the Web, Facebook limits access to site information by third party search engine "crawlers" (e.g. Google, Yahoo, MSN, Ask). Facebook takes action to block access by these engines to personal information beyond your name, profile picture, and limited aggregated data about your profile (e.g. number of wall postings).
* We may provide information to service providers to help us bring you the services we offer. Specifically, we may use third parties to facilitate our business, such as to host the service at a co-location facility for servers, to send out email updates about Facebook, to remove repetitive information from our user lists, to process payments for products or services, to offer an online job application process, or to provide search results or links (including sponsored links). In connection with these offerings and business operations, our service providers may have access to your personal information for use for a limited time in connection with these business activities. Where we utilize third parties for the processing of any personal information, we implement reasonable contractual and technical protections limiting the use of that information to the Facebook-specified purposes.
* If you, your friends, or members of your network use any third-party applications developed using the Facebook Platform ("Platform Applications"), those Platform Applications may access and share certain information about you with others in accordance with your privacy settings. You may opt-out of any sharing of certain or all information through Platform Applications on the Privacy Settings page. In addition, third party developers who have created and operate Platform Applications ("Platform Developers"), may also have access to your personal information (excluding your contact information) if you permit Platform Applications to access your data. Before allowing any Platform Developer to make any Platform Application available to you, Facebook requires the Platform Developer to enter into an agreement which, among other things, requires them to respect your privacy settings and strictly limits their collection, use, and storage of your information. However, while we have undertaken contractual and technical steps to restrict possible misuse of such information by such Platform Developers, we of course cannot and do not guarantee that all Platform Developers will abide by such agreements. Please note that Facebook does not screen or approve Platform Developers and cannot control how such Platform Developers use any personal information that they may obtain in connection with Platform Applications. In addition, Platform Developers may require you to sign up to their own terms of service, privacy policies or other policies, which may give them additional rights or impose additional obligations on you, so please make sure to review these terms and policies carefully before using any Platform Application. You can report any suspected misuse of information through the Facebook Platform and we will investigate any such claim and take appropriate action against the Platform Developer up to and including terminating their participation in the Facebook Platform and/or other formal legal action.
* We occasionally provide demonstration accounts that allow non-users a glimpse into the Facebook world. Such accounts have only limited capabilities (e.g., messaging is disabled) and passwords are changed regularly to limit possible misuse.
* We may be required to disclose user information pursuant to lawful requests, such as subpoenas or court orders, or in compliance with applicable laws. We do not reveal information until we have a good faith belief that an information request by law enforcement or private litigants meets applicable legal standards. Additionally, we may share account or other information when we believe it is necessary to comply with law, to protect our interests or property, to prevent fraud or other illegal activity perpetrated through the Facebook service or using the Facebook name, or to prevent imminent bodily harm. This may include sharing information with other companies, lawyers, agents or government agencies.
* We let you choose to share information with marketers or electronic commerce providers through sponsored groups or other on-site offers.
* We may offer stores or provide services jointly with other companies on Facebook. You can tell when another company is involved in any store or service provided on Facebook, and we may share customer information with that company in connection with your use of that store or service.
* Facebook Beacon is a means of sharing actions you have taken on third party sites, such as when you make a purchase or post a review, with your friends on Facebook. In order to provide you as a Facebook user with clear disclosure of the activity information being collected on third party sites and potentially shared with your friends on Facebook, we collect certain information from that site and present it to you after you have completed an action on that site. You have the choice to have Facebook discard that information, or to share it with your friends.
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Selamlar arkadaşlar.
Biz çalıştığımız şirket tarafından topluca çıkarılmıştık şirket küçülmesi nedeniyle bizde o sıralar da facebookda "anti şirketin adı" isimli bir grup açmış ve kendi aramızda sorunlarımızı paylaşıyorduk.
Haklarımızın verilip verilmediğine dair yazılar yazıyorduk.
Bir gün grubumuza birisi girdi ve bizi tahrik edecek şekilde eski şirketimizin lehinde sözler söylemeye basladı bizde bu kişinin kim olduğunu sorduk karşılıklı hakaret etik bir birimize .
kim olduğunu açılamayan bu şahış bizi iyce tahrik etti.
Aradabirde kendi aramızda bu kişi kimliğini açıklamıyorsa kesin eski şirketimizin adamı diyede yazılar yazdık bu yazılartlda şirketimizin çalışanlarınıda içine katark hakaretlerde ettik.
Daha sonra bu yazıların eski arkadaşlarımıza değilde o şahsa karşılık yazıldığını belirten yazılar yazdık , eski yazılarımızı sildikve özür yazıları yazdık arkadaşşlara.
Bu olay 1.5 ay önce 1 hafta içinde gelişti.
Daha sonra şirket bizi dava etmiş.1 arkadaşımıza bugun kağıt gelmiş ve 3 ümüzün isim var ve dava bursda.
dava konusu güya şirketin izni olmadan resimler eklenmesi logoların kullanılması ve şirket hakkında yada çalışsanlar hakkında hakaret edilmesi.
10 bin YTL lik bir dava açılmış bize dava 21 temmuzdaymış.
Şimdi daha bana ve diğer arkadaşımın evine tebliğat gelmedi gelirse bu tebliğatı almak zorundamıyım.
Alsamda gitmek zorundamıyım?
Dava şirketin bulunduğu şehirde bize uzak bir şehir.
Biz bu grupdaki yazıları bu olaylardan sonra silmiştik 1 ay önce , dava açılmadan önce.
Bu yazıları facebooktan bildiğim kadarıyla isteyemiyorlar ama yinede bulunabilirmi ?
bulunsada suç teşkil edermi ?
Yani nasıl bir yol izlememiz gerekli acaba?
Bize mahkemeden tebliğ gelmeden 2 arkadaş facebookdaki grupdan ayrılıp facebookumuzuda kapattık.
Acaba bu facebook dan bu bilgiler istenip hakkımızda delil olarak kullanılabilirmi?
bildiğim kadarıyla facebook Server ABD de olduğu için kaynak istenemiyor veya onlar göndermiyor.
Davalı daha önceden sadece kendileri kayıt ettikleri bilgileri delil olarak sunabilirmi ? Sunarsada ne kadar kanıt değeri olur nede olsa teknolojik ortamda çok kolay yapılabilecek bir kanıt olur tutarlılığı ne kadar doğru olur?
Geçerliliği varmı acaba kendi tuttukları kanıtların?
Çünkü internet ortamında şuan oyle bir hakaret te yok.Hepsi 1 ay önce yazılmış ve hemende silinmişti.
Daha doğrusu Davacı hakaretten çok logo ve isim kullanımı adına dava açmış.
Ama grubu kuran asıl şahısla konuştuğumda bu logoları kendisi değil başka birisinin yüklediğini söyledi bunu bizde yüklemediydik ama grupdan kim yüklediyse yüklemiş bu resimleri.Acaba bundan yola çıkarak bir sonuç elde edebilirlermi ?
Hatta bu resimleri bizi tahrik eden şahışda yüklemiş olabilir yani bize komploda kurulmuş olabilir biz bunu nasıl kanıtlıyabiliriz ?
Acaba facebookdan silinen belgeler mahkemece istense geri getirilebilirmi?
Facebookdan istense facebook vere bilirmi?
facebook server ABD de olduğu için belgeleri istediğinde uluslar arsı hukukamı girer.
Facebooktan bilgi ve belgeler talep edildiginde eski tarihli de olsa bu metinler cikartilip mahkemeye gonderilebilir,teknik olarak bu mumkundur,ancak Facebook mahkemeye boyle bir yanit verir mi o bilinmez,bildigim kadariyla ceza davalarinda dahi bilgi verilmedigi oluyormus.Ancak bu bilgi tamamiyla kulaktan dolma bir bilgidir,o nedenle tam olarak sirketin yanit verip vermeyecegini bilemiyorum.
facebook daki grubumuz 1 ay once silinmişti.Alıntı:
c_selin rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
Yani Davacı bu durumda facebooktan yinede belge elde edebilirmi edemezmi?
Facebookdan 1 ay once silinen grup veya belgeleri facebookdan istediğimizde acaba sözleşme gereği bize vermiyormu yani?Alıntı:
nikon rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
bu isteğimiz uluslar arsı hukukamı giriyor acaba?
Bu konuyla ilgili uluslararası sözleşmelere taraf olmayışımız ve kişisel verilerin korunması konusunda yasal bir düzenleme olmadığı gerekçeleriyle mümkün olmuyor.
Eğer facebook bilgileri mahkeme vermez ama yinede davacı davalını facebookunu bir zamanlar noter yada bilir kişilerce sadece boyle bir grubun varlığını olduğunu kanıtlamıssa mahkeme bunu kanıt olarak kabul edermi acaba?
Çünkü bilir kişi veya noter sadece bu facebook grubunun varlığını tespit eder bunların kimler olduğunu hangi ip den bağlandığını tespit edemiyeceği için yinede mahkeme bunu kanıt olarak değerlendirirmi?
Kanıtl olarak değerlendirdiğinide varsaysak buna itiraz ederek bu kanıtlar farabi kanıtlar ve Facebook Canifiriodan bu bilgilerin mahkemece istenmesini yoksa bunların kanıt olarak geçerliliğinin sayılmıyacagını öne sürebilirmiyiz.
biraz komplike oldu ama sadece olumsuzlardan yola çıkarak kurgu kurdum.
bilirkişi öyle bir şeyi kanıtlayamaz, sadece varsayım olur,Alıntı:
kuhi06 rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
hukuk = ispat bilimidir,
kesin deliller lazımdır, buda IP adresine çıkar,
bilirkişi de buna ulaşamayacağına göre,
ordaki kişinin misal "ali veli " isimli birisi adına hesap açılsa, bundan bu kişi sorumlu tutulabilirmi? tutulamaz
yani grup olsa ne olur olmasa ne olur, kimi suçlayacaklar :)
çünkü gerçekle bağdaşan bir şey yok, ordaki hesabın kimin olduğu belli değil....
ayrıca facebook hiçbir bilgiyi tek bir byte ını bile silmez, sizin ekleyip,sildiğiniz resimler bile aslında server da saklanır, ama bunu bahsi geçen amerika yasalarınca ancak ordaki mahkemeye sunar, burdaki mahkemeye sunma gibi bir zorunluluğu yok,isterse verir o ayrı,
ama çok üstüne giderlerse , birde facebook yasaklanır olur biter değilmi :)))))))
aynı youtube gibi...
nikon çok sağol bilgilendirdiğin için savunmamıza bu dediklerinide ekliyecem.
Bize dava açanlar bizim grupdaki bir çocugun eklediği resimleri göstererek bizim ekledigimizi ve bunuda bilirkişi ile mahkemeye kanıt olarak sunduklarını söylüyorlar.
bizde çok şaşırdık acaba bu kanıt olarak kullanılabilirmi diye açıkcası!
işlemediğimiz bir şuçtan yargılanacagız hemde 10000 ytl lik manevi tazzminat ile.
gerçi ben bunların mahkemece iplerinin bulunmasını çünkü davacının yada yandaşlarını bu resimleri eklemdiklerini nerden bileyim.Bilirkişi o resimlerin varlıını tespit edebilir doğru ama onların hangi ipden kimlerin yuklediğini tesspiti nsl yapabilir ki , yada bunu nsl davacı düşünmezde kanıt olarak gosterebilirki?
idda etmek önemli değil,herkes herşeyi idda edebilir, ama önemli olan hakim in kararı ve ispat edilebilirliği, eğer böyle bir durumda mahkemeniz olursa profesyonel bir avukat ile çok rahatlıkla savunmanızı yaparsınız...Alıntı:
kuhi06 rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
hesap sormak istiyorsan çıkarsın meydanlara meydanlarda siyasetini yaparsın, veya bir partiye üye olup devam edersin.bu bir hukuk sitesi hukukla ilgili görüşlerin varsa yaz. yoksa bu siteyi siyasete bulaştırma.Alıntı:
Lazaronnie rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
Aradaşlar davası olan facebook grubunu davacı facebooka bildirerek kapatmış ise dava başlamadan ve idda ettikleri şuçlamaların çoğu yalan ise bizim nasıl bir yol izlemeliyiz.
Başka birisinin eklemediği resimleri biz grubumuza siz eklemişsiniz diye dava açtılar ve dava daha başlamadı bizim kanıtlarımız ortadan kalktı nsl bir yol izlemeliyiz nasıl kanıtlarız bu resimlerin bizim tarafımızdan eklenmediğini.
Lütfen tek başlık altından devam ediniz.YÖNETİM
iyi günler, benimde sorunum var. lütfen yardımcı olun..Benim adıma facebook ta profil açmışlar ..Profil adımada çok çirkin yazıyla beraber, birde müstehcen bir resim koymuşlar. Biliyorum kimin yaptığınıda.. 5 sene önce mahkemeye vermiştim tehditten, 1 ay cezası para cezasına dönüşmüştü. sizce ne yapmalıyım.
Faceboooka ihbar ederseniz mail ile sayfanızı inceleyip gerekli görürse kapatıyor.Ama iş bunun kimi yaptığını ortaya koymak ise orası çok zor işte :(Alıntı:
monasya rumuzlu üyeden alıntı
Facebookdan bende şikayetçiyim o konuda ,bizimde davalı olduğumuz konular var hiçbir bilgi vermiyor.Bizde Mahkemden talep ettik bakalım ne cvp gelecek mahkemeye facebookdan. Burdan sizlerle paylaşırım gelen cevabı.
Anladığım kadarıyla facebooku şikayet etmişsiniz. Nasıl yol izlemem gerektiğini bilmiyorum. Facebook'u mu mahkemeye vermeliyim, yoksa profil açanı mı.
Örnek dilekçeniz var mı acaba? Teşekkürler...
Facebooku şikayet etmedik.Facebookdan bilgi istedik.Hangi ip ile nezaman kimler bağlanmış ve neler yazmış diye facebook dan bilgileri istedik.Kişisel olarak istediğimiz bu bilgileri red edip bilgi yollamadılar bizde şuan davamız devam ettiği ve bu bigilerin davanın seyri için önemli olduğu için mahkeme aracılığı ile bu bilgilerin facebookdan istenmesini taleb ettik.Bakalım buna ne cvp verecek facebook merak ediyorum ama büyük ihtimalle bunada bir cvp gelmiyebilir.Alıntı:
monasya rumuzlu üyeden alıntı